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Guys let's talk villain origins and motivation. Which ones do you wanna use for each character.
I wanted to have Hydroman be just like in our original idea .Mj's boyfriend back in Florida who follows her to NYC. He later proposes himself as a guinea pig for Octavius to become somebody and becomes Hydroman.
Octavius I kind of wanted to make an Ultimate /Tas hybrid. He used to works for Osborn but gets fired after he discovers Norman'a obsession with spidey. Hecontinues his experiments but an accident fuses his arms to his back while working on his dream project the cyltachron. He then blames Norman and kidnaps Harry.
An idea I had for Venom was to combine his Ultimate and mainstream counterparts.
Eddie Brock Sr. is a journalist and reporter who worked for The Daily Globe, but he was fired after making a mistake on a story involving the serial killer Sin-Eater. He becomes an alcoholic and routinely beats his son, Eddie Jr., and his wife, Jamie. Eddie Jr. would then go on to befriend Peter Parker, and his mother would die of natural causes and his father would be killed by a mugger while Eddie was in high school.
My idea is that the symibote was created by Ruchard Parker using alien materials and that he had an exclusive deal with Brock's dad to inform him on the project however Richard died and that's what made Edward an alcoholic. Years later Dr Connors re-discovers it and gets Peter and Eddies to help him, he eventually uses a part of it for the lizard serum wich leads to disaster. Peter tries and destroy yhe substance to make sure that the lizard doesn't happen again but instead bonds with it. The next is pretty much the same as in tas jsut that he fights hobgoblin instead of rhino and shcoker and eventually gets rid of the suit in a church were Eddie was. Also peter trough the series ruins Eddies life till the symbiote saga were Spider-man utterly destroys it.
But in all seriousness, I think we should go with a classic villain who hasn't yet been portrayed as Spidey's first super-powered enemy, which immediately wipes both the Chameleon and the Vulture off the table.
I've always thought of Kraven as a person who hunts for the thrill of it, and he probably does it as his main source of money. Him being an assassin employed by Kingpin, and maybe even Chameleon working together with him. It's not the fanciest of motivations.
Doc Ock could be a scientist trying to restore his wife's life (she's in a stasis, similar to Kingpin's wife in the Ultimate universe), and during an accident, his metallic arms fuse with him, and then I don't know where to go from there.
I think we could fuse the two ideas with Kraven being a mercenary that Spidey thinks is a hero that will help him take Kingpin down but really works for the enemy. Chamelon could double for him whenever he needs to talk to spidey and isn't available due to being busy with Kingpins busy work.
I like Primal's take on Ock. Maybe Osborn uses the potential cure to the condition to secure his services.
Roderick Kingsley would have used his fasion business as a front for his illegal activities, which would include rackettering, extortion, political bribery to steer elections in favor of the corporate elite like himself (akin to the gigantic tax cuts our modern politicians are trying to pass today.), prostitution, and money laundering.
Some of his henchmen would have also had dealings with OsCorp, allowing them to gain access to some of the Green Goblin's prototype weaponry and gear. After Gobby's demise, Kingsley has his scientists modify the gear and the performance-enhancers in order to allow himself to become the Hobgoblin. Also, he would first encounter the Spider-Friends instead of just Spider-Man alone.
Basically, a more realistic and modernized version of the classic Hobgoblin origin.
Afterwards, Jason Macendale would have managed to infiltrate Kingsley's organization as a spy working under the employ of the C.I.A., but, after discovering the Hobgoblin's weapons and technology, went rouge and became the second Hobgoblin.
Later, he would undergo a genetic experiment which deformed his body, causing his Hobgoblin mask to literally melt into the flesh on his face, and caused his skin to be locked in a perpetuate state of degeneration (where it would constantly fall off.) and regeneration, causing intense pain. His body could also generate small amounts of fire. The pain would prove enough to cause Macendale to go insane, turning him into the second Demogoblin (after the combination of HIM and Green Goblin II.), believing himself to be on a holy mission for God to punish those he deemed sinners.
Macdonald Gargan was a former military officer who got injured during a battle. He later got confronted by Alistar Smythe or Norman Osborn who asks him to join a special initiative. They end up injecting him causing him to become the scorpion.
I also have a Scorpion idea, which is akin to the Ultimate version.
Mac Gargan was a Southern gangster who frequently made deals with Mexican drug lords and cartels. He and his gang would eventually be busted by the F.B.I. and Gargan himself tried and convicted for illegal drug importation into the U.S. and would be sentenced from 19-20 years (a homage to his first appearance in The Amazing Spider-Man #19-20.) in federal prison.
Spencer Smythe and Norman Osborn approach Gargan with a deal; participate in an experiment to turn him into a super-soldier and be released from prison, with an additional $10,000 pay (also a homage to The Amazing Spider-Man #20.) for his services, with the end goal being the destruction of Spider-Man.
After injecting him with an early version of the same formula which granted Spider-Man his powers, Smythe encases him an a suit of mechanized armor designed by himself and Phineas Mason (Tinkerer, another homage to The Amazing Spider-Man #20.) with a tail modelled after the mechanical arms on the apparatus used by Otto Octavius.
It's always been one of the issues that resonated with me the most (I have the trade paperback it's included in).
The story I had in mind was that Spider-Man (Peter Parker) would be swinging across Manhattan one morning. He then sees a plane flying overhead and thinks nothing of it... until said plane crashes into the North Tower of the World Trade Center. Spider-Man immediately goes to help and get as many people out of the tower as possible.
He is still helping to evacuate civilians when the second plane crashes into the South Tower, for which he goes to help as well. But, even after getting out most of the civilians (he tries to get to Stanley Praimnath but is blocked by hot and fiery debris.), Spider-Man is still in the South Tower by the time both of them go down, and Spidey with it.
Hours later, during the efforts to find people still trapped within the rubble, Captain America drags Spider-Man (who is bloody, his costume torn up, and one of his web-shooters destroyed.), who is still alive, out of the rubble of the towers (akin to how he found Spidey in the aftermath of Ultimatum.). Spider-Man then stands with the rest of the Avengers as they look on at the horror that has unfolded in front of them; the reality that they had been so focused on super-villains that they had completely ignored the idea of terrorism caused by ordinary people.
A different idea for the scene after the collapse of the towers I had was where we implement, as I have come to call it because of how iconic it is in comic history, our "Amazing Spider-Man #33 moment";
Spider-Man awakens, still pinned underneath the rubble from when the South Tower collapsed (the scene would look identical to the cover of The Amazing Spider-Man #33.). He hears a couple of people, still alive, shuffling about underneath the rubble with him.
He then begins to push against the rubble, but to no avail. Spider-Man then thinks back to Uncle Ben, and how his death resonated with him as much as it did. He then begins to think about his friends, family, and the people trapped underneath the rubble with him, and that if he can save the latter, he might finally be able to be rid himself of the guilt over what happened to Uncle Ben.
He then begins to push with all his might against the rock and rubble, slowly lifting it off of himself and the people with him. Spider-Man then finally pushes the rubble completely off of him... and onto the surface just above. Spider-Man then helps Captain America and the authorities get the civilians still trapped underneath onto the surface and into the hands of the emergency services. Spider-Man then looks on with Cap and the rest is how I said it in the last paragraph of the comment above.
That's a great idea. I love it, it calls back to multiple comics, tells a good story, has inspirational scenes, I think this a great idea. I like how you fused the iconic #33 scene with the rubble, since it flows nice with the story and isn't jarring. I also like the message at the end, it kind of gives you a new point of view on superheroes.
I agree with Primal, this idea is pretty much perfect! It makes the show feel real. I feel like it should be aired on the actual date of the attacks and maybe even have a small message at the end to remember the actual people who died during it.
I feel like maybe the episode should start very ordinarily with Peter talking to aunt May. Taking down a villain
, and arraging a date with Mj before the attack actually happens.
I think that when we introduce Miles Morales into the story, we should have him start a romantic relationship with Gwen as a possible reference to the Sitting In A Tree story ark that ran through recent issues of Spider-Man and Spider-Gwen.
Kate and Mattie seem like good ideas. Carpenter migth a bit too old and UJD is still a clone of Peter and Miles is a lot younger than her. I also think we should try and make Miles very different from Peter. Example : he doesn't quip as much and the villains don't really care about him with the exception of his uncle and Norman.
Miles and Jessica don't get along that well at first (he also doesn't believe her when she says that she's Peter Parker's clone.), but after a series of team-ups, Miles starts to become infatuated with her, not realizing that she is Peter Parker's female clone. Eventually, Miles reveals his feelings for her on a rooftop via a kiss. Jessica then runs away, confused, in order to process what Miles had done.
That's the starting point. Someone else can come in a fill in the rest.
Okay that could work. I would have make so at the end they don't end up together but as close friends. Kind of like spidey and black cat only in reverse (she still has feeling for Miles whenever he isn't wearing the Spider-Man costume.)
Another idea I had (which loosely ties into my 9/11 idea.) was that one of Spider-Man's first adventures was him partially foiling the 1998 Bank of America robbery (the series begins at the end of the 90s so why not?). I say partially because not all of the criminals would be captured. Melvin Folk and Mike Reed would get away as they did after the actual robbery but were soon apprehended by the F.B.I.
I say that this story kind of ties into our 9/11 story because the actual robbery took place at the North Tower of the World Trade Center.
I agree with Primal Usm 6 could work. I had in mind recreating ASM 312's cover as a mind battle between Harry and Him for control of the body (Harry as Green Goblin and HIM as demogoblin). I feel like maybe we could be influenced by the child within storyline for the potrayl of Harry.
I never actually thought of adapting the cover of The Amazing Spider-Man #312.
I do actually think that having the Ultimate Spider-Man #7 final battle sequence recreation is a good idea. The idea is that Demogoblin wins the fight and leaves Spider-Man on the (insert landmark bridge here.) Bridge and that's when Spidey first encounters the Powerpuff Girls.
I think that Scorpion should be a gangster because it allows us to expand on a version of the character that is horribly underrated (being the Ultimate version.). We can also expand upon the character and progressively make him our own.
Also, we agreed that we would make the series based on the Ultimate comics with loose adaptations from TAS.
Y'see, villains don't always have to have the best motivations possible. Some of their motivations are merely what make us human (or inhuman, depending on the crime.), including greed, vengeance, and an all arond sheer lack of compassion for other people.
When it comes to major A-, or even B-, list characters, yeah. Writing in proper motivation is important. But when it comes to writing rather small, miniscule, C- and D-list characters, like Man-Wolf or the Gibbon, I don't think that motivation is really that important unless it suits the story you're trying to tell because their characters (save for maybe the Gibbon.) never really relied on it in the first place.
Well if Batman the animated series hadn't given Mr Freeze his motivation he would have been a minor villain. I think that if we don't have a good motivation we shouldn't use te villain. Man-Wolf can want to do everything Jhon felt he couldn't do , Gibbon could be a a mutant who despises being associated with the animal, shocker a coward who wants to be in the big league of villains to compensate for his life of failiures in Roxxon,ect.
Maybe it might be a good idea for him to be married during the final season, since if we're going to focus on Miles it'd be kind of odd having the finale focus on Peter unless it were to be a final hurrah for him as Spider-Man. I'm indifferent if we have Peter married during the series finale or not.
The idea I had in mind for the finale is similar to what's being do for Avengers: Infinity War; a culmination of all the buildup.
I was figuring that we kill Peter off somewhere around Season 7 (late into Season 6 at the earliest.), have Miles operate as Spider-Man for the following few seasons, have Peter return for Season 10 (the season limit I was aiming for.), and then ally everyone (Avengers, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Powerpuff Girls, etc.) together alongside both Spider-Men for a big battle against all the villains being led by Norman Osborn.
I feel like Peter should stay dead. I've been thinking and maybe for our clone saga Jackal could do the clone conspiracy plot to manipulate Pete into joining him. It also gives him a reason to bring Gwen back.
I can see your point, but I think Peter's better off dead. His arc can be concluded by the time of his death, and it serves a significance that's cheapened if he returns. Anyone can die, including superheroes such as Spider-Man. People will grieve for his death, and Miles wants to get out of his shadow. If he returns, then what's the point in having him dead?
I'm not a fan of comic book deaths usually since I know that that character I've been rooting for who just died will come back and everything will be fine by the end. Maybe I've just been reading too many grim books lately though.
That's not the idea I had in mind. After my planned war with Osborn's army of villains, Peter, Mary Jane, and Aunt May move out of New York permenantly, with the former retiring completely as a super-hero and leaving Miles to continue on as the only Spider-Man.
Bringing Peter back wouldn't be a cop-out in this instance, I feel, because Peter Parker's Spider-Man would still be "dead" after it's all over. Miles' Spider-Man would take precedence.
In a way, it would be kind of like what was originally planned for The Clone Saga, 'cuz Ben Reilly was originally supposed to permenantly take over the title of Spider-Man, leaving Peter and Mary Jane to exit the spotlight and live happily ever after.
The idea I had for it was to start build it up after Spider-Man (Peter Parker) dies. Norman Osborn survives the battle but is taken into S.H.I.E.L.D. custody. He then begins to plot ways to get revenge on Nick Fury, as his quarrel with Spider-Man has been settled (or so it seems.).
After the appearance of Spider-Man (Miles Morales), Osborn gets word of it and begins plotting ways to destroy this one, too.
After the events of The Rise of Demogoblin, I planned for HIM to be imprisoned in the Marvel Universe by S.H.I.E.L.D. as to take him off the Powerpuff Girls' hands. He soon meets with Norman and they form an alliance to get back at the one responsible for their current situation; Spider-Man.
Norman initiates his plan right around the time Peter Parker returns from the dead. He manages to deactivate the security systems of the prison currently holding him, thus unleashing all the villains inside, including Norman himself and HIM. HIM then manages to create a portal to his home reality thanks to the dimensional rift created by Doctor Octopus.
Norman and HIM then rally their forces together and launch a full scale attack on New York City, while Norman and HIM personally take their respective teams (the Sinister-or-Ultimate-or-Insidious-or-whatever-we-decide-to-go-with Six and the Beat-Alls, respectively.) to Washington D.C. to launch an invasion on the capital building (similar to the events of the Ultimate Six mini-series.).
With the Avengers busy quarrelling the invasion in New York City, Peter, Miles, and the PPGs head to Washington D.C. to confront the Six and the Beat-Alls.
The rest we can elaborate on from there, but that's what I had in mind.
I feel that we should at least involve the major PPG villains (HIM, Mojo, Princess Morbucks, Fuzzy Lumpkins, etc.) so that HIM doesn't feel like a completely unique villain to Osborn's cause. Plus, I'd imagine that Mojo would want some revenge on Spider-Man (Parker.) for previously defeating him when he was allied with Doctor Octopus.
That's a good idea for Kraven, taking the one good thing about his Ultimate counterpart (the rest of him kinda sucked, IMO.) and combining it with his mainstream counterpart. Though, I feel we should wait for a little bit before we adapt Kraven's Last Hunt.
Ok sure let's keep Mojo and Him on the finale. I'm still not sure about the others.
Yes the last hunt part would happen after a while but that would be the end of peter's career.
I thought maybe chameleon could be a former Kgb agent. He is now lacking any real identity . He is normally a mercenary.He has trouble remembering his actual identity. Eventually he believes himself to be Peter and a fight ensues.
The others wouldn't have major roles, they would just be there to be sort of "cannon fodder".
I think we should adapt Last Hunt when Peter has the symbiote on. Kraven could use and acutal bullet (as opposed to the tranquilizer dart he used in the original story.), but the symbiote saves Peter and works the bullet out of his skull and helps his regenerative factor heal the wound.
IDK. That's what I've got going in The Sensational LEGO Spider-Man's adaptation of Kraven's Last Hunt.
I think the mental instability/identity crisis angle for Chameleon works, along with him thinking that he is Peter Parker. I think we could also make it that, during The Clone Saga, Chameleon kidnaps Kaine and steals his identity.
I was actually thinking more along the lines of Ultimate.
I dunno, but I feel like in this, a more grounded universe, someone saying "the Ultimate Six" sounds much more menacing and threatening than saying "the Sinister Six" or "the Insidious Six", which sound kind of corny in this day and age.
Plus, in every Spider-Man stop motion series on YouTube, they're always called the Sinister Six.
I mean, all of them sound pretty corny in my opinion (but Sinister and Insidious for me sound pretty cool, I mean even the way "Insidious" is spelled is cool!). You don't see criminal organizations such as the mafia or terrorists calling themselves names like that. If we were to keep it grounded, I'd go with:
"The Six." That's it. It's simple, it's a grounded and realistic name that you could think the news would call them. They all team up, do evil stuff, and the news starts eating it up and tentatively calls them "The Six".
Alright, they'll be called the Six for the majority of the series, but during the series finale, Norman refers to them as his "Ultimate Six", signifying what he believes is the most superior version of the group.
I think the sinister six works more even if it's a bit silly but come on we are talking about a silly character like spider-man. Again the six is a fine name but it isn't memorable. Although i like the idea of Osborn giving the team their ultimate name so maybe peter gives them the sinister part? Or the theatrical mysterio?
I feel like maybe we could call osborn's group the syndicate.
An idea I had for the name Syndicate was for Osborn to send Beetle to recruit a bunch of villains of his own choosing to form a group that would lead the charge on New York City.
I feel that Osborn would like to keep the name "Six" because it consists of mainly Spider-Man's greatest enemies, and Osborn, crazy as he is, would probably consider himself the leader of this group, considering that he is Spider-Man's greatest enemy.
The reason I ask is because it ties into the idea I had for Miles. Y'all should check out Monster, BTW. It's a great book.
Anyways, the book itself is about Steve Harmon, a 16-year old African American film student living in (if memory serves correctly.) Harlem. Steve is on trial for the murder of a drugstore owner, something which he wasn't even involved with in the first place.
The cool thing about the book is that Steve is a film student, so he writes the entirety of the book (except for his personal journal.) as a screenplay.
The story I had in mind is very similar to what happens in Monster; Miles is arrested and framed for a crime (a crime that we can elaborate on later down the road.) which he didn't commit. Daredevil (Matt Murdock serving as Miles' lawyer.) gets involved and tries to gather evidence to help Miles' case, all while Miles' worries desperately in prison for the trial to not end poorly.
I'd also like to draw upon inspiration from what happened to George Stinney (go look him up in case you're unfamiliar with what happened to him.), as that was one of the most corrupt cases of racial injustice that I've ever seen.
I don't know, I usually prefer instrumentals since if we go ahead with something like "Spectacular Spider-Man" it won't make much sense when the title is chanted a couple of times. I don't want it to be something short like USM or Marvel's Spider-Man, where it's just a 10s theme that's bland. There's no energy in both, and themes should make you feel excited usually!
We could go with the Unlimited theme, it's incredibly underused and pretty catchy, but at the same time that's more sci-fi.
TAS would work. It had a pretty cool theme song (well songs, it had a couple of versions I think?), but the lyrics were pretty meh in my opinion since it was just "Spider-Man", "Radioactive Spider-Man", "Spider blood", and "Radioactive spider blood" repeated. Still, if we were to go for an instrumental it would pretty good.
What about a score from one of the movies? There are lots of options for Spider-Man music...
Clash could work. Maybe we could keep his story of him wanting to be like Spider-Man, only we add a twist where Shocker picks him up as a protege saying he'll become like Spider-Man this way or something.
For Swarm, I had an idea where he'd be a scientist at some company (to keep that part of his backstory, where in the comics he was Hitler's top scientist), maybe working with someone like Curt Connors on a prototype of the Neogenic Recombinator, and then during an accident involving bees his DNA is mutated.
Speaking of Connors, there was a specific way I wanted to introduce the Lizard.
It's pretty on point to how it was seen in TAS. Here, Peter, Angelica, and Bobby are assistants to Connors and his research. They are all working on the Neogenic Recombinator together, but the longer it takes to build the machine, the more impatient Connors grows. Finally, one night, Connors tests it on himself and becomes the Lizard. The next day, Peter, Bobby, and Angelica come into the lab only to find it in shambles. The Spider-Friends then battle the Lizard in the sewers, only for the beast to escape. They develop a cure from the Lizard's reverse-engineered DNA, and they finally administer it in the streets.
An idea I had was to have Kingpin be arrested years beforehand by an expose (kind of like Silvermane in Spectacular.), only to start attacking Spider-Man from his cell using henchmen (kind of like how Kingpin operated in the original Spider-Girl series.).
We should try and keep it realistic though since most people Miles' age would be a lot more accepting, then the older generations would be less accepting, due to having a static mindset from the time period they grew up in. Maybe have an every once in a while moment where Miles runs into discrimination and/or racism, but it shouldn't be every episode.
No, no. Not every episode would focus on racism, but there would be some episodes where the plot, in and of itself, revolves around racism (systemic or otherwise.) and/or bigotry (EX; Miles could be just walking down the street or something and a police officer walks up and starts hassling Miles, forcing him to get away and change into Spider-Man.).
Why are you still unsure? C'mon, man. We've gotta try to do something original with this project and not make it like every other series ever made about Spider-Man. Plus, so far as my knowledge extends to, there hasn't been a single story written about Miles that deals with the issue of racial discrimination.
This is a prime opportunity for some creative and innovative storytelling that centers around a rather... sensitive topic. But in a series that deals in real-life historical events, would it really be all that different to actually discuss racism?
Spider-Man's supposed to be the Everyman of Marvel Comics, but when that Everyman is African-American, especially in the year 2017, racism is a prime issue to look at and talk about... even in comics.
Bottom line, this is a storytelling goldmine, as I said above.
I think that Kingpin should have an, at most, moderate role in Season 1. The role itself, tho, I'm not sure about.
I feel like it's a good idea, but racism shouldn't be the main focus in my opinion. It should be subtle, worked into a few episodes, some could deal with more blatant racism, but realistically most cases of racism and discrimination are going to be small. Do it like Static Shock, address racism exists and have episodes focusing on it but don't stuff it into every episode, and try and go at it with a realistic perspective - racist people likely aren't going to change and be nice all of a sudden like most TV shows do.
Stop and Frisk is a policy that was started a couple of decades ago.
Basically, the practice of it allows for police officers to stop, question, and, at times, search citizens or suspects.
It's become a major issue in recent years, as police officers have often gone on power trips in Stopping-and-Frisking people on a daily basis. It, statistically, disproportionately affects black people (tho, whites and Asians are also affected drastically as well.), what with some people even needed to find alternative shortcuts just to get into their apartments.
All and all, Stop and Frisk is basically a version of police brutality, just with... no blood.
This Stop and Frisk thing sounds like something that could be interesting... for an episode or two. I feel like we can touch discrimination once or twice like maybe an old criminal uses racially insensitive lingo or whatnot. But if we touch racism all the time it will get really boring and a bit unrealistic since New York is pretty metropolitan. Maybe in one episode Miles learns in a history class or is told by his parents about the history of racism in the US.
If you really want to touch these subjects we can do an X-Men series.
Guys, for the last time, racism won't be the focus of Miles' story. It will just be hinted at in several episodes and will only take center stage in specific ones.
Miles fighting bad guys and maintaining a personal life will still be the focal, as with any Spider-Man story or adaptation. Only this time, we're going an extra step an adding a little extra layer of everyday challenge for our star.
Qe were already going to go with the idea of him being Mary's ex boyfriend who wants her back no matter if she wants him or not so he would logically be a teenager. But the plan for Electro was that he would be like his TNAS counterpart and be one of Peter's friends that get experimented on by Ock.
Also why did you make Osborn the big mastermind instead of Octopus? I feel like everyone uses Osborn in the frist season.
On another hand what do you want to do for the clone saga?
Maybe Max could be a highscooler and an intern at Hammer when the accident happens.
But there are other great masterminds in spidey's world like the Jackal,Kingpin,Doctor Octopus,Mister Negative,Silvermane,Spider slayer and Hobgoblin. Can't we use any of them for a change in season 1 ,we could always use Osborn in season 2.
My idea for the clone saga was that maybe Jackal also clones a dead person that's important to Peter (be it Ben,his parents or Gwen if she's dead by then) before cloning him. Then Spidey fights a villain stealing a bank (secretly a clone of him) before being helped by another mysterious spider person.
But if Norman becomes the Goblin in season 2 then he probably will be the main villain of said season not backwards. I personally think Octopus should be that main villain of the frist season with Norman's accident happening at the end and Goblin being the main villain in season 2. Or we could use season 1 to set up Venom.
The way I see it, Ultimate was, in reality, the only series where the Season 1 main villain was Norman Osborn.
In TAS, Kingpin was the main villain of Season 1. In Spectacular, it was Tombstone. Both of which are crimelords who simply want to eliminate/distract Spider-Man because of his interference in their operations.
Venom was the Season 1 buildup villain in both series', with each introducing Eddie Brock and his reasons for hating both Peter Parker and Spider-Man.
However, Ultimate failed to go about it an interesting way. I feel that we could "fix the mistakes and right the wrongs" of Ultimate and make Osborn a genuinely threatening villain, like his Spectacular counterpart, only for him to have it out for Spidey even before he becomes the Green Goblin.
Yes in the official series Norman was only the big mastermind in USM but he is used as the mastermind in too many fan series. But I'm not the only one working in this series so we'll decide it by vote.
Hmm I dunno Max I'm already working in way too many series so I might just act and give suggestions if it's all the same to you.
Yeah, a Pulitzer Prize winner that was published in 1960. Major cultural influence and it opened up people's eyes to racism here in 'Murica.
Plot involves a black man living in 1930s rural Alabama who is on trial for being accused of raping a white farmer's daughter. It's pretty deep stuff.
I'm currently reading it as part of my Humanities class at school, and I was thinking of possibly pulling some inspiration from it for when we begin writing the Miles Morales episodes in terms of themes of racism.
Well I was thinking that after season 1 supervillain Peter would start confiding in MJ (a fromer friend of Peter who recently returned to Midtown) leading into the Hydroman episode where she would tell him their history.
I think Ock could sell his superhumans to different criminal organizations such as Kingpin and Tombstone's.
Another idea i had (based on an Uk Spider-Man story) was that kingpin would host a competition where whoever killed Spider-Man would rule his organization untill he is fred from Jail. The "contestants" would be Hammerhead, Black Tarantula,Big Man,Shocker and Owl. Each of these guys have their own minions and what not. At te end spidey teams up with Venom since he wants to kill Spidey himself and because these crimelord would generate suffering to the innocents.
I feel like holding a competition would sound dumb since Kingpin's going to take over anyway, so something like them fighting to become the top dog I think would sound better. It's a good idea though for an episode (or a short story arc)!
I mean yes it's silly but it could be effective. Maybe the crime bosses think thy after this they can permanently take over once Kingpin is sleeping with the fishes. But we could just do what you said. Or have Kingpin offer a billion dollar bounty on Spider-Man.
Along with our themes of prejudice within the series, another real-world terror I feel we can show is the unrelenting mass-shootings happening here in 'Murica, in the wake of what happened in Parkland, Florida recently.
We can also use this opportunity to introduce another, more minor, villain into the mythos as well; Massacre, since mass-shootings are pretty much his M.O.
I think that's not a bad idea all things considered. BUT I think we can do an allegory replacing guns with superpowers. Specially since Massacre is boring as shoe. Also I would still live there rather than in 'Rgentina.
We can't do an allegory using super-powers because they don't exist.
We can always re-invent Massacre's character, y'know. It doesn't have to be true form to the comic books. Kinda like what Batman: The Animated Series did with re-inventing and re-introducing Mr. Freeze.
The idea that I had in mind for Massacre is that Marcus Lyman, instead of being a Wall Street trader, is instead a graduate of Midtown High, leaving 2 years prior to the series' start. He was bullied relentlessly by kids like Flash and Kenny. He was also declared as brain-damaged when he was accidentally hit by a car while running from the 2 bullies one day, resulting in his inability to feel emotion.
Seeking revenge, he buys an AR-15 and an M16, goes to Midtown High, and starts shooting the place up, relentlessly hunting Flash and Kong. When he finally corners them, though, the Spider-Friends (I kinda wanna set this during Season 3.) intervene and attack Lyman, but Spidey gets shot in the arm during the scuffle. It all ends with Lyman attempting to commit suicide but Spidey stops him at the last second (kinda like with Zemo and T'Challa at the end of Civil War.).
Well men can't climb walls or freeze stuff and women can't shoot fire out of their hands and alien symbiote don't exist and Millioners don't dress in green and purple and throw pumpkin bombs while flying on a glider themed after a bat.
I mean that's a good backstory but he is not really a threat to THREE super powered teenagers. Spider-Man alone could deal with him in seven minutes or so. That's why I feel it needs to be superpowers (I was picturing Charlie Weiderman). If we come up with a great story then I am all for it but there must be a reason for why Peter can't just beat him up like how he did that kid in JMS run.
Exactly. This isn't a world of super-powered heroes and villains. This is a world where airplanes crash into a country's 2 tallest towers and make them fall down. This is a world where a black man can get arrested for just walking down the street.
Maybe, just maybe, we can combine elements from Sin-Eater into his character. I was also thinking that, prior to becoming Massacre, Lyman took some martial arts classes so he knows how to fight.
If we can't do that, then let's look at the comics to see how he evaded Spider-Man until Otto Octavius killed him.
I feel like we're making the world too realistic, I get that stuff like that happens in real life and it even pops up in the comics, but comics are supposed to be an escape from reality - it's a world where people can fly, become a human torch, shoot webs that look organic but are not, etc..
Young Justice, for example, balanced grounded in reality with still being faithful to the comics, it didn't dwell on stuff such as school shootings but it still managed to be the most grounded and realistic TV show. The MCU also handles this pretty well, I mean Civil War was 50% politics but it was still comic booky. I don't know, I just don't like the idea of doing real-life terrors such as school shootings, it doesn't feel appropriate for a Spider-Man series. No offense, your ideas are good, but I'm just not into things like that.
@Max: No our world isn't but THEY live in one. There's three super heroes in that school. Xmen have allegories for discrimination without having all of their characters be part of discriminated groups allegories don't have to be literal.
Still he's a kid that knows Kun Fu and has two guns so how can he fight a guy that can lift tanks, a woman with fire powers and an omega level mutant with control over Ice? Also Sin Eater mainly escaped spiderman since he had a secridentity and was a former SHIELD agent and spiderman still pummeled him to near death and it took Dare Devil to contain him.
In the books spiderman caught him and he had lost his spider sense thus making bullets an actual concern to him. Spidey was also in his No One Dies period. He later broke out of jail and kept on the move until meeting Ock.
Look even if we manage to find a way of making him a treath when well do the episode the shooting would have been old news.
I mean, I get if it makes you guys uncomfortable, and all, but in the Marvel Universe, given all their current teenage super-heroes, like the Champions, for instance, I'm honestly surprised that there hasn't been a story involving a man walking into a highly populated area and shooting the shit outta innocents.
When we look back at instances like Columbine, Sandy Hook, and Marjory Stoneman Douglas, the instance of mass shootings in the world, and especially the United States, has become extremely commonplace. In fact, 2 days after what happened in Parkland, someone set up some kinda prank at a college in Washington where a mass shooting was alleged, but never actually took place.
Listen, I'm not saying that we have to go the route of the '70s live action Spider-Man and make it completely grounded in reality. That's not it at all. I just think that in this world we live in today, where stuff like this can and does happen, we should try and implement that into the stories that are told through the eyes of our super-heroes.
Also, Ben, you talk about how a guy who knows martial arts and having access to high-caliber weapons not being able to fight Spider-Man? Take a look back at all the times that Black Cat kicked Spidey's ass in a fight. I actually think that she's beaten Spidey more times than he's beaten her.
The reason I'd like to introduce these more serious ideas and themes into the series is to serve a double purpose; to showcase these real-life horrors in a medium that people respond to, being comic books, as well as serve as a callback to the old Amazing Spider-Man's from the '60s and '70s that focused on major current events at the time (the Vietnam War and the opioid epidemic in ASM, 9/11 and mass shootings in PaR.).
If not this, then do you guys have any ideas? Story ideas? Theme ideas? Character ideas? I kinda feel like I'm the only one who's trying to come up with new material for the series.
One of the reasons why most people don't like Champions is because it just tries to be current without asking wearer it needs to be.Black Cat has multiple martial arts training and is a skilled cat burglar who later got actual super powers.
You want story ideas? Fine. Norman Osborn experiments on a mutant and allies himself with Mr Sinister leading into a fight with the Xmen all while Kravennis hunting spidey, Kraven is depicted almost like a drug addict to his potions experiencing sever withdrawal after long time with no expire that's how Spidey beats him at first, the Enforcers are trained Black Ops agents sent by NO to kill Oscorp board member Adrian Thoomes, Silvermane is a legend in the underworld eventually reveled to be alive, Shocker is a disgruntled Roxxonn employee who stole gauntlets from the company and uses them to steal from them, Harry Osborn is a new student when the series begins, Norman funded Smythe's and Warren's spider experiment in secret intentionally releasing spiders to see their effects, Doc Ock is the MP from the beginning but also "helps" spiderman in the process of catching some baddies, Eddie Brock gets bullies by Peter when he gains the Symbiote, Silver Sable carrying a hit for Kingpin against Mister Li, Mr negative is the result of kingpins experiments, etc.
I don't wanna start a fight. Can we table this topic for now and then come back to that.
Some of those ideas are... actually really good. Kraven suffering withdrawl from having not used his potions for a while, the Enforcers being sent to kills Toomes, Doc Ock "helping" Spidey catch the baddies, Eddie getting bullied by Peter and not the other way around when the latter has the symbiote, and Mr. Negative being one of Kingpin's creations are perhaps the ones I like most.
I just felt like I was the only one contributing ideas on my own. You guys only responded when I did.
You're not allowed to tell me or demand anything of me. I am the administrator here, not you, and you had better get your attitude in check. Try to tell me what's going on, because as is, I'm quite close to blocking you to avoid future disturbances.